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Jw facts say’s around 65k leave jw each year
coc was written 40 years ago
Give or take would you say 2 million?
if so 10k is half of 1 percent
Of course I could be miles off and if so I apologise, but I’m going to stick with it as reasonable enough to make the point
the shot glass has just been refilled thank you
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Nicoloau if that was true of ray franz would you want Cof C taken off the shelf so no one can read it?
if you would the what about the 10s of thousands of people it has saved from jw?
if no then we would agree it still has value even though it was written by someone we disliked?
(in no way am I saying anything negative about ray, it’s just a comparison)
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Toblerone, I’m really sorry for upsetting you so much, if only I had known other opinions weren’t welcome ,
If Raymond franz had used prostitutes and was a narcissist would it make crisis of conscience any less valuable? It would be a shame they weren’t an upstanding human that we could respect but C OF C would still be accurate and useful
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Going through someone’s accounts without them there to give an explanation is a total waste of time and all conclusions you come to are invalid as the person hasn’t given their reply, as annoying as it may be, that he won’t reply, he won’t so all you are left with is unconfirmed speculation, It is as it is.
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He provides a great service of spending his time, listening to the JW propaganda, and debunking it in a straightforward common sense way, if people choose to give him money, that’s up to them, how he spends it it’s up to him, I’ve watched a few of his videos that I have chosen to not financially contribute, picking through his accounts like this just shouts out jealousy because he has been successful in his activism, I completely accept you won’t agree with me But I still haven’t seen anyone who gets within 1,000,000 miles of his ability to talk to newly exiting ex jws
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Why is everyone interested in his accounts?
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Kim, thanks for your reply, I certainly do respect your opinion, I’m a massive fan off multiple content creators to speak to a wide variety of people, I just haven’t seen anyone else with the ability to speak to newly woken up JW in the same way as Lloyd has done over the years, hopefully that will change in the near future, in no way did Lloyd Evans wake me up whatsoever, the Bible managed to do that all by itself!
1972 i i’m not a fan of his, I’ve never supported his channel in anyway whatsoever, I do see value in the back catalogue of his work, I haven’t seen anyone else even get close, although hopefully they will soon. I do find it. Incredibly disappointing when XJW have a go at each other, I’m sure he is the worse culprit for this, if you have any questions for him I think he gives a phone number
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I forgive you
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Okay I'm just going to blurt this out because I am now sick of Lloyd apologists. You go and defend this vile creature, you go defend a person who used trafficked girls, you go defend an abusive stalker. You go and defend this creature. But I have one thing to say to you. YOU ARE COMPLICIT. We have heard this argument far too many times now and all the while he has got away with EVERYTHING.
Not sure if that was aimed at my comment, but maybe you should reread what I wrote, I’m not defending him I don’t agree with his personal life, but I’m not blind to the good he has done through the content of his channel however I feel about his personal life
leaving is a very personal journey, and some of the comments on here seem to tar left everyone with the same brush, what is good and useful for one is not necessarily good, until someone puts together a channel as useful as Lloyd Evans channel his will remain one of the best places to go for people who are in the process of waking up
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I think this website has by far the most important back catalogue of picking apart JW teachings and the Bible with Conversations of many very intelligent people For example, Leoleia, but there are many others as well.
when I left JW land around six years ago, I spent tens of hours reading through the back catalogue of the different conversations on this forum, but I also watched many of the Lloyd Evans videos, it was the most distressing period of my life by such a long way I no longer wanted to be alive, however, I have three young children so I had to power through these feelings and come to my own conclusions that I was right to leave and help my children escape while leaving behind all my friends and the rest of my family
My gratitude to these types of forums, this one, Lloyd Evans, JW facts , the books by Raymond Franz
Lloyd Evans, personal life seems to be a total shambolic joke, but that doesn’t take away the value of his website and videos to people who have newly left JW, it is invaluable, and although some of his videos can be quite long, it is exactly what people who are beginning to wake up, need to give them the confidence to leave.
I’m only saying this because I think it would be such a shame if someone came across this website in the emotional distress situation they would find themselves whilst newly waking up and start reading through 800 pages of negativity on Lloyd Evans, however, deserved an accurate it is,
I don’t see anywhere else that has the back catalogue of videos as helpful as his to a newly woken up person.
I don’t see a website with a catalogue as good as this website for a person who needs something a bit deeper.
I suppose I’m just saying, I think it would be a shame for someone on the emotional edge to miss out on such available information, please don’t think I’m trying to have a go at anyone about anything, everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is mine, so I thought I would share it, hope that’s okay
